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	<title>Comments on: Second Thoughts</title>
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	<description>The Blatherings of Kathryn Nerys Baker</description>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2439</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always with the DIAF for me...

I gotta write more... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always with the DIAF for me&#8230;</p>
<p>I gotta write more&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/03/08/watchmen-defies-easy-categorization/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Counterpoint to &#039;Katercakes&#039; review here.&lt;/a&gt;

As I said in my review, I&#039;m still not sure I liked it. *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/03/08/watchmen-defies-easy-categorization/" rel="nofollow"> Counterpoint to &#8216;Katercakes&#8217; review here.</a></p>
<p>As I said in my review, I&#8217;m still not sure I liked it. *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 

Thank you. Remind me to like you more than I already do. :) 

Ed, Die in a fire. *kicks shin*:)

I too, will buy the novel. Just to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, </p>
<p>Thank you. Remind me to like you more than I already do. :) </p>
<p>Ed, Die in a fire. *kicks shin*:)</p>
<p>I too, will buy the novel. Just to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Powers</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2436</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We bought the graphic novel, and I haven&#039;t read it yet.  I&#039;m not sure which media to consume first.

Maybe neither.  ;)</description>
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<p>Maybe neither.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??? WHAT THE *OWWWW* who kicked my shin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??? WHAT THE *OWWWW* who kicked my shin?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2434</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who would jump all over you deserves to be kicked in the shin: &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt; (comic and movie both) &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; paint a bleak picture of the human race, and presents its &quot;heroes&quot; as profoundly flawed examples of the species.

It&#039;s a bleak conception, but I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s a completely hopeless one.  The Comedian is a horrible, horrible person, but even he has a human credential (something that suggests he isn&#039;t as abyssmally awful as one would like to think) in the forms of two characters (one major, one minor).

As characters, the Watchmen represent extremes: The Comedian isn&#039;t a total representative of the human race, but he is a representative for aspects of it, just as Doctor Manhattan represents another dimension, and Rorschach another.  Nobody&#039;s really like any of those people, but of course everybody is, and that&#039;s the point.  One reason the Watchmen fail--and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a spoiler, to be honest--is that they are unbalanced caricatures of human dimensions.

Part of what&#039;s interesting about the whole story is that there&#039;s nothing, for want of a better word, &lt;i&gt;convenient&lt;/i&gt;.  The story (and titular team of heroes) &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; a conscience: but he&#039;s a murderous psychotic whose sense of order is so absolute it&#039;s unworkable.  There&#039;s a warm and human character, but he&#039;s basically impotent (in one scene, literally so).  There&#039;s a voice of reason, but it&#039;s so dispassionate and divorced from human experience that it ends up forming a polar opposite to the aforementioned conscience.  I don&#039;t think Moore did this to discredit any of these things--it&#039;s not an accident that &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s psychotic, reactionary voice of justice also happens to be a fan favorite and one of the story&#039;s most affecting characters (his final scene in the comic and in the movie, in which he effectively surrenders without compromising, is surprisingly moving).  I think, rather, that Moore is trying to get us to think about these things, and not take them for granted or write off the costs they bear the way we&#039;re inclined to.  And that&#039;s why things like &lt;i&gt;Time&lt;/i&gt; Magazine&#039;s inclusion of &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt; as one of the best books of the century isn&#039;t quite as ludicrous as it seems at first thought: Moore brought the concerns of serious literature to the funny books, and the movie (being so slavishly devoted to the book) is a near-direct port of those concerns.

Anyway, I do hope you&#039;ll give the book a shot sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who would jump all over you deserves to be kicked in the shin: <i>Watchmen</i> (comic and movie both) <i>does</i> paint a bleak picture of the human race, and presents its &#8220;heroes&#8221; as profoundly flawed examples of the species.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bleak conception, but I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a completely hopeless one.  The Comedian is a horrible, horrible person, but even he has a human credential (something that suggests he isn&#8217;t as abyssmally awful as one would like to think) in the forms of two characters (one major, one minor).</p>
<p>As characters, the Watchmen represent extremes: The Comedian isn&#8217;t a total representative of the human race, but he is a representative for aspects of it, just as Doctor Manhattan represents another dimension, and Rorschach another.  Nobody&#8217;s really like any of those people, but of course everybody is, and that&#8217;s the point.  One reason the Watchmen fail&#8211;and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a spoiler, to be honest&#8211;is that they are unbalanced caricatures of human dimensions.</p>
<p>Part of what&#8217;s interesting about the whole story is that there&#8217;s nothing, for want of a better word, <i>convenient</i>.  The story (and titular team of heroes) <i>has</i> a conscience: but he&#8217;s a murderous psychotic whose sense of order is so absolute it&#8217;s unworkable.  There&#8217;s a warm and human character, but he&#8217;s basically impotent (in one scene, literally so).  There&#8217;s a voice of reason, but it&#8217;s so dispassionate and divorced from human experience that it ends up forming a polar opposite to the aforementioned conscience.  I don&#8217;t think Moore did this to discredit any of these things&#8211;it&#8217;s not an accident that <i>Watchmen</i>&#8217;s psychotic, reactionary voice of justice also happens to be a fan favorite and one of the story&#8217;s most affecting characters (his final scene in the comic and in the movie, in which he effectively surrenders without compromising, is surprisingly moving).  I think, rather, that Moore is trying to get us to think about these things, and not take them for granted or write off the costs they bear the way we&#8217;re inclined to.  And that&#8217;s why things like <i>Time</i> Magazine&#8217;s inclusion of <i>Watchmen</i> as one of the best books of the century isn&#8217;t quite as ludicrous as it seems at first thought: Moore brought the concerns of serious literature to the funny books, and the movie (being so slavishly devoted to the book) is a near-direct port of those concerns.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do hope you&#8217;ll give the book a shot sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://anaedream.com/2009/03/08/second-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you jump all over me. I&#039;m speaking in a sweeping general sense. I tend to surround myself with the cream of the crop that actually value the outcome of their decisions enough to make them worthy of the title &quot;human.&quot;</description>
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